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This episode was recorded pre-COVID-19. Bobby gets on the phone with Allen Arnold to discuss living life as sons and daughters of God. We talk about the invitation to live our lives with or without Him. We can know a lot about God and still live without Him. What steps do we need to take to live as sons and daughters? Listen in to discover a better way to live and love.


Allen Arnold is author of the The Story of With and (coming Summer 2019) The Defeat of Chaos. His mission is to awaken the hearts of people to pursue their life and art in freedom as sons and daughters of God. He regularly mentors and speaks to the larger creative community – including one of the most successful Shark Tank companies, writing conferences, and Dave Ramsey’s core marketing team.

From the mountains of Colorado, he leads Content for Ransomed Heart – a ministry founded by the New York Times Bestselling Author of Wild at Heart, John Eldredge. Before that, Allen spent 20 years in Christian Publishing. As the founding Publisher of Thomas Nelson Fiction, he oversaw the launch of more than 500 novels and received the American Christian Fiction Writers Lifetime Achievement Award in 2012. He loves blue oceans, black coffee, hot salsa, and big ideas.