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In this two-part episode, Bobby talks with his long time friends, Matt and Tara Jarvis. Matt and Tara have experienced incredible trauma with the loss of two children. They share their journey of loss, faith, and allowing pain to make room for joy. Their story is hard to understand and relive but is full of encouragement and hope. We discuss anger, grief, loss, and feeling overwhelmed.

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